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		<title>By: gimmieabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimmieabreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, outstanding responses by both dean and mac. both definately hold merit. however, having been certified as one of the &#039;experts&#039; concerning illegal drug use, distribution, etc. in both state and federal courts, i can assure you that the type of analysis provided by Mr. Stalcup and that provided by those of us in the field are two different things as you well know. i would merely submit to you that stories such as this, while well intending, often invoke more curiousity than deterrent. 
As far as &#039;expert&#039;opinions go, you can have two experts with contrasting opinions and both be right- or rather feasible. it is up to the person to take the totality of the circumstances and decide which explanation is the correct one, just as in the matter of false confessions, where experts will tell you that a false confession is littered with poor detail and vague and only mild concessions of guilt, whereas a separate expert may tell you that people who confess to terrible crimes often give the same descriptions as a false confession in order to minimize the incident in an effort to basically put the incident behind them. Again, thanks for the great posts by both of you as this type of discussion is whats needed so many topics we deal with in society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, outstanding responses by both dean and mac. both definately hold merit. however, having been certified as one of the &#8216;experts&#8217; concerning illegal drug use, distribution, etc. in both state and federal courts, i can assure you that the type of analysis provided by Mr. Stalcup and that provided by those of us in the field are two different things as you well know. i would merely submit to you that stories such as this, while well intending, often invoke more curiousity than deterrent.<br />
As far as &#8216;expert&#8217;opinions go, you can have two experts with contrasting opinions and both be right- or rather feasible. it is up to the person to take the totality of the circumstances and decide which explanation is the correct one, just as in the matter of false confessions, where experts will tell you that a false confession is littered with poor detail and vague and only mild concessions of guilt, whereas a separate expert may tell you that people who confess to terrible crimes often give the same descriptions as a false confession in order to minimize the incident in an effort to basically put the incident behind them. Again, thanks for the great posts by both of you as this type of discussion is whats needed so many topics we deal with in society.</p>
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		<title>By: mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean-appreciate your comments and understand your position-this is certainly nothing to take lightly- however-the evidence that a single confirmed exhibit of strawberry has been not been found in any state or federal lab still leads to this matter being blown out of proportion via wellmeaning Email warnings,and a press that jumped on the hysteria bandwagon-I know Alex Stalcup and his background -I&#039;ll bet that he hasn&#039;t seen any strawberry meth either--methamphetamine and it&#039;s far reaching effects is the problem -not a product that has yet to be confirmed existent-and tales of strawberry quick [which if mixed with meth would kill an intraveneous user] just take concentration and concern from that real problem-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean-appreciate your comments and understand your position-this is certainly nothing to take lightly- however-the evidence that a single confirmed exhibit of strawberry has been not been found in any state or federal lab still leads to this matter being blown out of proportion via wellmeaning Email warnings,and a press that jumped on the hysteria bandwagon-I know Alex Stalcup and his background -I&#8217;ll bet that he hasn&#8217;t seen any strawberry meth either&#8211;methamphetamine and it&#8217;s far reaching effects is the problem -not a product that has yet to be confirmed existent-and tales of strawberry quick [which if mixed with meth would kill an intraveneous user] just take concentration and concern from that real problem-</p>
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		<title>By: dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously this thing has been kicked, beaten and stomped into the ground by now, but I wanted to address the allegation that this article was written with an attitude of &quot;it doesn&#039;t matter if it was accurate, as long as something good came out of it.&quot;

When Jeff Noble was the owner of, and I was a writer for, Monticello Live, he sent me an email with a &lt;i&gt;scanned&lt;/i&gt; copy of the letter that was received by Camden School District.  Since it should be obvious to most folks that writing for ML was not a full time job, nor a paying one, it wasn&#039;t a situation where I could personally interview the sources used in the article.  The next best thing was to research it online, and if anyone who has read and commented on this article has chased down the links provided, they would see that the information was obtained from major news outlets around the country.  These sources, both in print media and on TV news reports all cited law enforcement personnel in places like California, Nevada and Missouri.

Also, while the &quot;flavored&quot; aspect of these reports have indeed turned out to be somewhat dubious, snopes.com reports that as recently as October of this year, &lt;i&gt;law enforcement&lt;/i&gt; in North Carolina have been claiming to have confiscated crystal meth that both looks like strawberry candy &lt;i&gt;and smells&lt;/i&gt; like strawberries.

Additionally, the non-law enforcement source cited in this article and interviewed on San Francisco&#039;s CBS news affiliate, Dr. Alex Stalcup is a widely acclaimed expert in methamphetamine addiction.  Here are some links where his credentials as a physician and drug addiction counselor, as well as his full resume may be viewed:
http://www.nltc.com/staff.html
http://www.nltc.com/drstalcupcurricu.html

While I completely understand the the questions that have been raised by those who have been commenting on this article, the fact that the sources cited were mostly local and state police themselves, leaves us all in quite a predicament when trying to ascertain the accuracy of any &quot;expert&quot; opinion coming from the law enforcement community.

So even though this story could not be worked as thoroughly as if written for a national publication, it was certainly not just thrown out there to see if any of it would stick to the proverbial wall or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously this thing has been kicked, beaten and stomped into the ground by now, but I wanted to address the allegation that this article was written with an attitude of &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t matter if it was accurate, as long as something good came out of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>When Jeff Noble was the owner of, and I was a writer for, Monticello Live, he sent me an email with a <i>scanned</i> copy of the letter that was received by Camden School District.  Since it should be obvious to most folks that writing for ML was not a full time job, nor a paying one, it wasn&#8217;t a situation where I could personally interview the sources used in the article.  The next best thing was to research it online, and if anyone who has read and commented on this article has chased down the links provided, they would see that the information was obtained from major news outlets around the country.  These sources, both in print media and on TV news reports all cited law enforcement personnel in places like California, Nevada and Missouri.</p>
<p>Also, while the &#8220;flavored&#8221; aspect of these reports have indeed turned out to be somewhat dubious, snopes.com reports that as recently as October of this year, <i>law enforcement</i> in North Carolina have been claiming to have confiscated crystal meth that both looks like strawberry candy <i>and smells</i> like strawberries.</p>
<p>Additionally, the non-law enforcement source cited in this article and interviewed on San Francisco&#8217;s CBS news affiliate, Dr. Alex Stalcup is a widely acclaimed expert in methamphetamine addiction.  Here are some links where his credentials as a physician and drug addiction counselor, as well as his full resume may be viewed:<br />
<a href="http://www.nltc.com/staff.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nltc.com/staff.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nltc.com/drstalcupcurricu.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nltc.com/drstalcupcurricu.html</a></p>
<p>While I completely understand the the questions that have been raised by those who have been commenting on this article, the fact that the sources cited were mostly local and state police themselves, leaves us all in quite a predicament when trying to ascertain the accuracy of any &#8220;expert&#8221; opinion coming from the law enforcement community.</p>
<p>So even though this story could not be worked as thoroughly as if written for a national publication, it was certainly not just thrown out there to see if any of it would stick to the proverbial wall or not.</p>
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		<title>By: gimmieabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimmieabreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Incredulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Incredulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m bothered that a conversation as to whether a particular news item is accurate can be dismissed as &quot;OK as long as something good comes of it.&quot;

There is no doubt drugs are bad.  Nor is there any doubt that an asteroid impacting the Earth would be horrific.  The question is:  Do you want news sources, warning e-mails, and blogs filled with made up stories as long as they serve the general good?  That&#039;s not what news is about.  News is about relaying the facts.  When the news media ignore that in favor of ratings, then they diminish their credibility, which is probably why there is so much debate about Global Warming.

Picture this:  You wake up to a news report that screams &quot;Killer asteroid expected to impact Earth tomorrow!&quot;  only to discover  the story is false.  Do you then say, &quot;Well, sure it&#039;s false.  But it got us talking about it.&quot;  Or do you say, &quot;Why would anyone in their right mind write a story like that without checking their facts?&quot;

I hope most people would opt for the latter.

Mac and Gimme a Break are absolutely right in their statements about the whole Strawberry Meth thing.  Pink meth with a strawberry flavor has been found , but it doesn&#039;t represent an outbreak or new fad.  There is also no evidence that flavored drugs are being marketed to kids.  And this is where Voice of Reason is correct:  Although this hasn&#039;t happened, it&#039;s worth noting that drug dealers will stop and nothing and, having possibly seen the story about the &quot;flavored&quot; meth, might actually start the trend.  But lets be sure that the facts don&#039;t get lost in all of our good intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m bothered that a conversation as to whether a particular news item is accurate can be dismissed as &#8220;OK as long as something good comes of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no doubt drugs are bad.  Nor is there any doubt that an asteroid impacting the Earth would be horrific.  The question is:  Do you want news sources, warning e-mails, and blogs filled with made up stories as long as they serve the general good?  That&#8217;s not what news is about.  News is about relaying the facts.  When the news media ignore that in favor of ratings, then they diminish their credibility, which is probably why there is so much debate about Global Warming.</p>
<p>Picture this:  You wake up to a news report that screams &#8220;Killer asteroid expected to impact Earth tomorrow!&#8221;  only to discover  the story is false.  Do you then say, &#8220;Well, sure it&#8217;s false.  But it got us talking about it.&#8221;  Or do you say, &#8220;Why would anyone in their right mind write a story like that without checking their facts?&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope most people would opt for the latter.</p>
<p>Mac and Gimme a Break are absolutely right in their statements about the whole Strawberry Meth thing.  Pink meth with a strawberry flavor has been found , but it doesn&#8217;t represent an outbreak or new fad.  There is also no evidence that flavored drugs are being marketed to kids.  And this is where Voice of Reason is correct:  Although this hasn&#8217;t happened, it&#8217;s worth noting that drug dealers will stop and nothing and, having possibly seen the story about the &#8220;flavored&#8221; meth, might actually start the trend.  But lets be sure that the facts don&#8217;t get lost in all of our good intentions.</p>
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		<title>By: gimmieabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimmieabreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points voice and mac. See my earlier posts on this topic. I agree that we should talk to our kids, we should just talk to them about good behavior period and not doing drugs period. I suggest to you that we talk to our kids about drugs that they will encounter, not things they wont. For example, i teach my son to stay away from snakes and dangerous animals, because we have those here. Some bad, some good, but better safe than sorry. I dont tell him to stay away from tigers specifically because Im not worried about him running into any of those. I guess my point is lets come across to our children as knowledgable about drugs or children will see that. when mom is talking about strawberry meth but doesnt know what the marijuana seeds in the dryer are, there is a perception by the child of when the parent knows what is going on and when they dont. If a parent wants to know more about drugs, call the police department or the drug task force offices and ask to speak to one of the narcotics officers. they will be glad to help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points voice and mac. See my earlier posts on this topic. I agree that we should talk to our kids, we should just talk to them about good behavior period and not doing drugs period. I suggest to you that we talk to our kids about drugs that they will encounter, not things they wont. For example, i teach my son to stay away from snakes and dangerous animals, because we have those here. Some bad, some good, but better safe than sorry. I dont tell him to stay away from tigers specifically because Im not worried about him running into any of those. I guess my point is lets come across to our children as knowledgable about drugs or children will see that. when mom is talking about strawberry meth but doesnt know what the marijuana seeds in the dryer are, there is a perception by the child of when the parent knows what is going on and when they dont. If a parent wants to know more about drugs, call the police department or the drug task force offices and ask to speak to one of the narcotics officers. they will be glad to help you.</p>
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		<title>By: mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly the need to talk with your children about real dangers that unfortunately abound in their world is absolutely vital to their safety and wellbeing-warning them against only rumor may,perhaps, minimize the impact your warnings toward the real dangers that they are expoesd to far to often-those that are far too real and far to obvious</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly the need to talk with your children about real dangers that unfortunately abound in their world is absolutely vital to their safety and wellbeing-warning them against only rumor may,perhaps, minimize the impact your warnings toward the real dangers that they are expoesd to far to often-those that are far too real and far to obvious</p>
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		<title>By: Voice Of Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voice Of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, we are really going to sit and debate whether or not there really is such a thing as strawberry meth? Shouldn&#039;t we all just take a step back and realize that even if there is NO such thing as of yet, and the reporters ARE getting it all wrong--There are still OTHER drugs that ARE out there and available to youor child. 

So...

If there is some stupid chain letter floating around that will make us take the time to remind ourselves of the dangers our children are facing--then so be it. If it takes some stupid reporter not doing their job correctly to remind us, as a society, that our children are being targeted as the up-and-coming drug users-- then so be it.

Stop worrying about whether or not it exists and take this opportunity to go look up some more information on how to speak with your children-- regardless of their age-- about not only saying &quot;No&quot; and reporting it, but talking about the effects of it and how to prevent themselves from getting into situations where it is around. 

Take the time to simply TALK to your children. That&#039;s something as a society that gets more and more neglected over the years. Maybe because we are all wasting our time reading chain letters about phantom drugs or maybe not. 

So when someone can explain to me why it would be so terrible for anyone to panic over something that may or may not be real, but is causing enough worry to discuss drugs with our children--contact me.

 Needless to say, I&#039;m sure I won&#039;t be hearing from any of you any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we are really going to sit and debate whether or not there really is such a thing as strawberry meth? Shouldn&#8217;t we all just take a step back and realize that even if there is NO such thing as of yet, and the reporters ARE getting it all wrong&#8211;There are still OTHER drugs that ARE out there and available to youor child. </p>
<p>So&#8230;</p>
<p>If there is some stupid chain letter floating around that will make us take the time to remind ourselves of the dangers our children are facing&#8211;then so be it. If it takes some stupid reporter not doing their job correctly to remind us, as a society, that our children are being targeted as the up-and-coming drug users&#8211; then so be it.</p>
<p>Stop worrying about whether or not it exists and take this opportunity to go look up some more information on how to speak with your children&#8211; regardless of their age&#8211; about not only saying &#8220;No&#8221; and reporting it, but talking about the effects of it and how to prevent themselves from getting into situations where it is around. </p>
<p>Take the time to simply TALK to your children. That&#8217;s something as a society that gets more and more neglected over the years. Maybe because we are all wasting our time reading chain letters about phantom drugs or maybe not. </p>
<p>So when someone can explain to me why it would be so terrible for anyone to panic over something that may or may not be real, but is causing enough worry to discuss drugs with our children&#8211;contact me.</p>
<p> Needless to say, I&#8217;m sure I won&#8217;t be hearing from any of you any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: gimmieabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimmieabreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay folks. i promise ya- if we have an outbreak of strawberry meth it will be right after john mccain wins the republican nomination, al gore shuts up about global warming, the accountant guy that goes off on those rants in the letter to the editor part of our paper gets writers cramp and wal mart gets enough checkers at busy shopping times. it aint happenin. meth cooks, specifically the MDTO&#039;s (mexican drug trafficking organizations) have been known to COLOR not FLAVOR their dope to DISTINGUISH it from other MDTO&#039;s dope BUT THATS IT. Again, we should worry more about our children drinking beer from dads ice chest than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay folks. i promise ya- if we have an outbreak of strawberry meth it will be right after john mccain wins the republican nomination, al gore shuts up about global warming, the accountant guy that goes off on those rants in the letter to the editor part of our paper gets writers cramp and wal mart gets enough checkers at busy shopping times. it aint happenin. meth cooks, specifically the MDTO&#8217;s (mexican drug trafficking organizations) have been known to COLOR not FLAVOR their dope to DISTINGUISH it from other MDTO&#8217;s dope BUT THATS IT. Again, we should worry more about our children drinking beer from dads ice chest than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac, 
What about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2007/dea-says-flavored-meth.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this March 2007 story&lt;/a&gt; on that site?

However, ccording to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jointogether.org/news/features/2007/meth-ado-about-nothing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a June 22 article&lt;/a&gt; on that site:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Flavored meth is somewhat akin to the Loch Ness Monster: everyone has heard of it, but firsthand sightings are hard to track down and verify. Various media reports around the U.S. have raised the alarm about the dangers of this new drug, but invariably concede that no cases have been reported locally.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Most of the cases seem to stem from the Carson County (Nev.) sheriff&#039;s office report of the substance&#039;s discovery. Others have also reported it, but details admittedly do remain sketchy. At the time of this article, however, national news media were just beginning to report on it, and it did appear to be a verifiable story. Best we can now say is that the word is still out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac,<br />
What about <a href="http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2007/dea-says-flavored-meth.html" rel="nofollow">this March 2007 story</a> on that site?</p>
<p>However, ccording to <a href="http://www.jointogether.org/news/features/2007/meth-ado-about-nothing.html" rel="nofollow">a June 22 article</a> on that site:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Flavored meth is somewhat akin to the Loch Ness Monster: everyone has heard of it, but firsthand sightings are hard to track down and verify. Various media reports around the U.S. have raised the alarm about the dangers of this new drug, but invariably concede that no cases have been reported locally.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Most of the cases seem to stem from the Carson County (Nev.) sheriff&#8217;s office report of the substance&#8217;s discovery. Others have also reported it, but details admittedly do remain sketchy. At the time of this article, however, national news media were just beginning to report on it, and it did appear to be a verifiable story. Best we can now say is that the word is still out.</p>
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