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	<title>Comments on: Mayor calls special community meeting related to community center proposal</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Beckham</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-11633</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Beckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DP, good post.  "From my conversations with others I find that there is a reluctance to continue a tax when the taxpayers feel that commitments made have not been met."  I would only add that we need to attract jobs, whether manufacturing or service or educational or medical or retail, etc.  I am afraid if we focus only on manufacturing we will be sorely disappointed.  In fact, it would probably give us a better return to work on enhancing our current manufacturing (boat companies, timber related) growth rather than counting on new manufacturing.  Community supported infrastructure that would help them would also help other prospective employers.  If you wanted to start a successful business, what would you look for?  First, the basics:  good communication capability, roads, water, sewer, transportation, electricity, employees.  If you are providing a service, communications is a must.  If you are making things, you need the capability to distribute those things to market.  The quality of community life is important but not as important as the need to communicate and/or distribute.  Also, remember that most jobs are provided by small employers, so what can the community do to enhance the business environment for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DP, good post.  &#8220;From my conversations with others I find that there is a reluctance to continue a tax when the taxpayers feel that commitments made have not been met.&#8221;  I would only add that we need to attract jobs, whether manufacturing or service or educational or medical or retail, etc.  I am afraid if we focus only on manufacturing we will be sorely disappointed.  In fact, it would probably give us a better return to work on enhancing our current manufacturing (boat companies, timber related) growth rather than counting on new manufacturing.  Community supported infrastructure that would help them would also help other prospective employers.  If you wanted to start a successful business, what would you look for?  First, the basics:  good communication capability, roads, water, sewer, transportation, electricity, employees.  If you are providing a service, communications is a must.  If you are making things, you need the capability to distribute those things to market.  The quality of community life is important but not as important as the need to communicate and/or distribute.  Also, remember that most jobs are provided by small employers, so what can the community do to enhance the business environment for them?</p>
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		<title>By: DP</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-11445</link>
		<dc:creator>DP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the problem with the continuation of the current tax based upon my thoughts and conversations with others.

When the current tax was passed approximately ten years ago one group in particular that supported the passage of the tax were the parents of girls and boys who played in the city softball and baseball leagues.  These parents were told that upon passage of the tax that a sports complex much like the one located in ElDorado would be built and that it would be completed within three years.  At that time I had a daughter entering the eighth grade.  This past May she received her bachelors degree and to the best of my knowledge the sports complex has not been completed to the point that it approaches the quality of either the ElDorado or Warren complex (covered bleachers, walkways, etc.)

From my conversations with others I find that there is a reluctance to continue a tax when the taxpayers feel that commitments made have not been met.

It is also my feeling that at this point in time the city should be more concerned with attracting manufacturing jobs to Monticello than constructing a community center.  The city will eventually reach the point that it will no longer continue to grow (it may have already reached that point) without bringing in jobs that will support a middle class life style.

I grew up in a small town that was controlled by a few people that prevented industry from coming to that town.  Today that town is practically dead.  I fear that is the direction in which Monticello is headed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the problem with the continuation of the current tax based upon my thoughts and conversations with others.</p>
<p>When the current tax was passed approximately ten years ago one group in particular that supported the passage of the tax were the parents of girls and boys who played in the city softball and baseball leagues.  These parents were told that upon passage of the tax that a sports complex much like the one located in ElDorado would be built and that it would be completed within three years.  At that time I had a daughter entering the eighth grade.  This past May she received her bachelors degree and to the best of my knowledge the sports complex has not been completed to the point that it approaches the quality of either the ElDorado or Warren complex (covered bleachers, walkways, etc.)</p>
<p>From my conversations with others I find that there is a reluctance to continue a tax when the taxpayers feel that commitments made have not been met.</p>
<p>It is also my feeling that at this point in time the city should be more concerned with attracting manufacturing jobs to Monticello than constructing a community center.  The city will eventually reach the point that it will no longer continue to grow (it may have already reached that point) without bringing in jobs that will support a middle class life style.</p>
<p>I grew up in a small town that was controlled by a few people that prevented industry from coming to that town.  Today that town is practically dead.  I fear that is the direction in which Monticello is headed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Beckham</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-5168</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Beckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, Chris, Shelley, Kellie &#38; Jim:  You guys are SLAM-BAM ON IT!! AWESOME.  Chris, outstanding work.  Kellie, fantastic post!  If I'm going to vote on a tax old, new, continuing, etc, it had better be well researched and planned, with all questions answered in time for me to digest/approve it before I'll vote for it.  And, research and plans take time.  I do not agree that now is the time to vote on a tax.  Our City Government has got to do exactly what Kellie suggests and show us a plan that has been well thought through.  The construction costs of $9million is the tip of the iceberg and I do not agree that we should "jump" now JUST to avoid future cost increases.  Communicate, communicate, comunicate.  As difficult as it is to understand the complexities associated with building a Community Center, the electorate must have time to make an informed vote.  I think our Mayor wants to inform, but he is anxious to see his proposal implemented.  And a special election is a sneaky way to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, Chris, Shelley, Kellie &amp; Jim:  You guys are SLAM-BAM ON IT!! AWESOME.  Chris, outstanding work.  Kellie, fantastic post!  If I&#8217;m going to vote on a tax old, new, continuing, etc, it had better be well researched and planned, with all questions answered in time for me to digest/approve it before I&#8217;ll vote for it.  And, research and plans take time.  I do not agree that now is the time to vote on a tax.  Our City Government has got to do exactly what Kellie suggests and show us a plan that has been well thought through.  The construction costs of $9million is the tip of the iceberg and I do not agree that we should &#8220;jump&#8221; now JUST to avoid future cost increases.  Communicate, communicate, comunicate.  As difficult as it is to understand the complexities associated with building a Community Center, the electorate must have time to make an informed vote.  I think our Mayor wants to inform, but he is anxious to see his proposal implemented.  And a special election is a sneaky way to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Beckham</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-5160</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Beckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, Chris, Shelley, Kellie &#38; Jim:  You guys are SLAM-BAM ON IT!! AWESOME.  Chris, outstanding work.  Kellie, fantastic post!  If I'm going to vote on a tax (old, new, continuing, etc), it had better be well researched and planned, with all questions answered in time for me to digest/approve it before I'll vote for it.  And, research and plans take time.  I do not agree that now is the time to vote on a tax.  Our City Government has got to do exactly what Kellie suggests and show us a plan that has been well thought through.  The construction costs of $9million is the tip of the iceberg and I do not agree that we should "jump" now JUST to avoid future cost increases.  Communicate, communicate, comunicate.  As difficult as it is to understand the complexities associated with building a Community Center, the electorate must have time to make an informed vote.  I think our Mayor wants to inform, but he is anxious to see his proposal implemented.  And a special election is a sneaky was to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, Chris, Shelley, Kellie &amp; Jim:  You guys are SLAM-BAM ON IT!! AWESOME.  Chris, outstanding work.  Kellie, fantastic post!  If I&#8217;m going to vote on a tax (old, new, continuing, etc), it had better be well researched and planned, with all questions answered in time for me to digest/approve it before I&#8217;ll vote for it.  And, research and plans take time.  I do not agree that now is the time to vote on a tax.  Our City Government has got to do exactly what Kellie suggests and show us a plan that has been well thought through.  The construction costs of $9million is the tip of the iceberg and I do not agree that we should &#8220;jump&#8221; now JUST to avoid future cost increases.  Communicate, communicate, comunicate.  As difficult as it is to understand the complexities associated with building a Community Center, the electorate must have time to make an informed vote.  I think our Mayor wants to inform, but he is anxious to see his proposal implemented.  And a special election is a sneaky was to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-5148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible research Chris!  Thanks for the initiative!  I anxiously await your further information.</description>
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		<title>By: Kellie Nichols</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-5130</link>
		<dc:creator>Kellie Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, as to the original points of complaint for the initial publication, I am torn.  Admittedly, it would appear that public involvement was definitly not the focus of the meeting as published in the note.  On this point, there seems to be some general agreeance; myself included.  It is infuriating to think that the public was only privately invited to a crucial meeting that was scheduled seemingly last minute as well as completely inconvenient for the general public.  However, I am able to understand the reasoning behind the apparent audience focus.      

My suggestion would follow the logical series of events used in the process of clinical research.
1.  Protocol.  Every aspect of the proposal should be mapped out.  This includes everything from location specifics, costs, personnel requirements, membership, etc.  There should be absolutely no question without an answer.  RESEARCH! RESEARCH! RESEARCH!  Every detail should be put to paper and available to the public.
2.  Funding.  Now, we can address where to get the money and the tax issue.  Now is the time to bring it to a ballot. Only after we have a thorough understanding of the project can we hope to find the funds to complete it.  
3.  Implementation.  Get on it and TRY to complete it within the time and expense already determined.
4.  Review.  Study every aspect to discovered both the successes and failures.  Determine areas that can be improved, etc.  

I certainly realize that there are problems that could occur even if these type of steps were taken, but I feel as though knowledge is key.  The general public typically doesn't even know the tax issues on our ballots.  Heck, I have a college degree and still have to do some serious research to get past the garbled jargon on the ballot itself!!  The status quo will always be maintained in the face of blissful ignorance.  People are just not willing to support anything that they can't understand.  

So, Mr. Mayor, it's fine to approach those community leaders for help on planning the project.  Well done!  Yes, they are some of our most successful citizens and would hopefully be quite aware of successful planning, but you must also focus so much more attention on taking it to the citizens of Monticello, WELL BEFORE THE BALLOT!!!

As to all the previous posters, I am so pleased to see such a response.  But I am overjoyed to see those of my own generation taking initiative.  It gives me great hope for the future of my hometown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, as to the original points of complaint for the initial publication, I am torn.  Admittedly, it would appear that public involvement was definitly not the focus of the meeting as published in the note.  On this point, there seems to be some general agreeance; myself included.  It is infuriating to think that the public was only privately invited to a crucial meeting that was scheduled seemingly last minute as well as completely inconvenient for the general public.  However, I am able to understand the reasoning behind the apparent audience focus.      </p>
<p>My suggestion would follow the logical series of events used in the process of clinical research.<br />
1.  Protocol.  Every aspect of the proposal should be mapped out.  This includes everything from location specifics, costs, personnel requirements, membership, etc.  There should be absolutely no question without an answer.  RESEARCH! RESEARCH! RESEARCH!  Every detail should be put to paper and available to the public.<br />
2.  Funding.  Now, we can address where to get the money and the tax issue.  Now is the time to bring it to a ballot. Only after we have a thorough understanding of the project can we hope to find the funds to complete it.<br />
3.  Implementation.  Get on it and TRY to complete it within the time and expense already determined.<br />
4.  Review.  Study every aspect to discovered both the successes and failures.  Determine areas that can be improved, etc.  </p>
<p>I certainly realize that there are problems that could occur even if these type of steps were taken, but I feel as though knowledge is key.  The general public typically doesn&#8217;t even know the tax issues on our ballots.  Heck, I have a college degree and still have to do some serious research to get past the garbled jargon on the ballot itself!!  The status quo will always be maintained in the face of blissful ignorance.  People are just not willing to support anything that they can&#8217;t understand.  </p>
<p>So, Mr. Mayor, it&#8217;s fine to approach those community leaders for help on planning the project.  Well done!  Yes, they are some of our most successful citizens and would hopefully be quite aware of successful planning, but you must also focus so much more attention on taking it to the citizens of Monticello, WELL BEFORE THE BALLOT!!!</p>
<p>As to all the previous posters, I am so pleased to see such a response.  But I am overjoyed to see those of my own generation taking initiative.  It gives me great hope for the future of my hometown.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-5102</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome research.  Much more than I could afford to pay at THOSE rates, much less if the annual fees were even higher!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome research.  Much more than I could afford to pay at THOSE rates, much less if the annual fees were even higher!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCall</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-5084</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McCall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently contactedthe Sherwood Recreation Center in an effort to obtain additional information.

Currently their annual rates are as follows:

Residents of Sherwood:

Adults                          $240/ year
Children ages 5-18         120/ year

So the typical family of 4 would have an annual membership of $700


Non-Residents of Sherwood:

Adults                          $268/ year
Children ages 5-18         144/ year

Family of 4 would have an annual membership of $824

Of course, since our community is less than 1/2 the size of Sherwood, it would only stand to reason that our rates would be MUCH higher.

I have a phone conference with Sherwood's Recreation Center Director on Monday and should also obtain the specifics on their current number of members later this week.  I will keep you posted on the information as I am made aware.

Thanks, 
Chris McCall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently contactedthe Sherwood Recreation Center in an effort to obtain additional information.</p>
<p>Currently their annual rates are as follows:</p>
<p>Residents of Sherwood:</p>
<p>Adults                          $240/ year<br />
Children ages 5-18         120/ year</p>
<p>So the typical family of 4 would have an annual membership of $700</p>
<p>Non-Residents of Sherwood:</p>
<p>Adults                          $268/ year<br />
Children ages 5-18         144/ year</p>
<p>Family of 4 would have an annual membership of $824</p>
<p>Of course, since our community is less than 1/2 the size of Sherwood, it would only stand to reason that our rates would be MUCH higher.</p>
<p>I have a phone conference with Sherwood&#8217;s Recreation Center Director on Monday and should also obtain the specifics on their current number of members later this week.  I will keep you posted on the information as I am made aware.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Chris McCall</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-3619</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tornado/severe weather warning system idea is the best idea I've heard for this area in a long time!</description>
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		<title>By: Chris McCall</title>
		<link>http://www.monticellolive.com/mayor-calls-special-community-meeting-related-to-community-center-proposal/#comment-3564</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McCall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put Tim!!

Regarding the generation of funds(mostly via memberships) to make the structure cash flow (not taking into account the actual construction):  The "community center" or organization......however you choose to look at it, is modeled after one recently built in Sherwood.  

&lt;b&gt;Has anyone realized that Sherwood has a population of over 2 times that of Monticello?&lt;/b&gt;

The last statistics I've seen for Sherwood, had their population listed at over 23,000 residents.  I'll agree.....building a community center is a great idea.....&lt;b&gt;in THEORY&lt;/b&gt;.  In it's current design, location, and potential member-base, however, it's just simply not feasible.

Shelly, my concern nor this particular blog, has ANYTHING to do with what's best for the "Lumber Industry".  Price did what was best for Price PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Josh, to clear up a few things mentioned earlier:  Drew Foam is in the process of moving their business into an over 450,000 Square Foot, previously vacant building.  I think that's AMAZING.  War Eagle has already done this which is ALSO AMAZING.  Utilization of resources already available without wasting anyone's money or resources&lt;b&gt; what a novel idea&lt;/b&gt; SeaArk Boats and SeaArk Marine haven't built any new division or made any substantial additions to their buildings or locations in at least 10 years.  This, makes all these examples.....VERY different.

How this DIRECTLY relates to the topic at hand: The affects of poorly placed and poorly planned new construction are evident in the communities that house them.  It also seems to be repeatedly implied that I dislike the mayor.  That's silly.  It's this poorly planned, half-baked idea that can in no way stand a chance of supporting itself I'm not fond of.  Hey, I'm glad he's trying.....it's just time to hit the drawing board again.  

I must say....the man has spunk though.....a $9 Mil + proposal in his first month.  That's over $900 for every resident of Monticello (regardless of their age).  And then if every single resident joined the community center the memberships could never go lower than approximately $30 per year per member to pay to keep it open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put Tim!!</p>
<p>Regarding the generation of funds(mostly via memberships) to make the structure cash flow (not taking into account the actual construction):  The &#8220;community center&#8221; or organization&#8230;&#8230;however you choose to look at it, is modeled after one recently built in Sherwood.  </p>
<p><b>Has anyone realized that Sherwood has a population of over 2 times that of Monticello?</b></p>
<p>The last statistics I&#8217;ve seen for Sherwood, had their population listed at over 23,000 residents.  I&#8217;ll agree&#8230;..building a community center is a great idea&#8230;..<b>in THEORY</b>.  In it&#8217;s current design, location, and potential member-base, however, it&#8217;s just simply not feasible.</p>
<p>Shelly, my concern nor this particular blog, has ANYTHING to do with what&#8217;s best for the &#8220;Lumber Industry&#8221;.  Price did what was best for Price PLAIN AND SIMPLE.</p>
<p>Josh, to clear up a few things mentioned earlier:  Drew Foam is in the process of moving their business into an over 450,000 Square Foot, previously vacant building.  I think that&#8217;s AMAZING.  War Eagle has already done this which is ALSO AMAZING.  Utilization of resources already available without wasting anyone&#8217;s money or resources<b> what a novel idea</b> SeaArk Boats and SeaArk Marine haven&#8217;t built any new division or made any substantial additions to their buildings or locations in at least 10 years.  This, makes all these examples&#8230;..VERY different.</p>
<p>How this DIRECTLY relates to the topic at hand: The affects of poorly placed and poorly planned new construction are evident in the communities that house them.  It also seems to be repeatedly implied that I dislike the mayor.  That&#8217;s silly.  It&#8217;s this poorly planned, half-baked idea that can in no way stand a chance of supporting itself I&#8217;m not fond of.  Hey, I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s trying&#8230;..it&#8217;s just time to hit the drawing board again.  </p>
<p>I must say&#8230;.the man has spunk though&#8230;..a $9 Mil + proposal in his first month.  That&#8217;s over $900 for every resident of Monticello (regardless of their age).  And then if every single resident joined the community center the memberships could never go lower than approximately $30 per year per member to pay to keep it open.</p>
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